On Stereotyping Whiskey-Drinking Women, and Asking Better Questions

Yesterday, Heather Greene's Eater column about Stereotyping Whiskey-Drinking Women was making the rounds. And  rightly so! 

She asks what it would be like if men were stereotyped in the same way that women are, a question stemming from an all too common experience: 

In the whirlwind weeks immediately following the launch of my book last fall, my fancy publicist inundated me with a slew of email requests that most writers only dream about. I whooped and hollered over coffee after reading messages such as, "CBS This Morning wants to talk to you." Later, I'd hop into a cab, coiffed and pumped for a television appearance, ready to talk whiskey.

And then this would happen: "What does it mean to be a women in whiskey?" or, "What kinds of whiskey do women drink?" or the nebulous, "What can you tell us about women and whiskey?"

But I didn't write a book about women and whiskey. I wrote a book about whiskey. So by the tenth woman-and-whiskey-themed interview, I began feeling ornery: 

"What's it like to be a woman in whiskey?"
How the hell would I know otherwise.

To flip the script, she goes on to identify a number of male whiskey-drinking personasThe Pappy Obsessive, The Whiskey EOE (Expert on Everything), The Non-Believerall spot on and hilarious.

But I want to stay on the kinds of questions she got, just by virtue of being a woman in a "man's" domain. 

You might say that highlighting "women in whiskey" is the cornerstone of what we're trying to do here at Women Who Whiskey. But our intention is not so much to draw it out as a special phenomenon to be inspected like a foreign object; rather we hope to socialize the idea of women in whiskey until it becomes so mundane that people stop asking these kinds of incredulous (and incredibly daft) questions.

Steamrolling a woman's desire to speak towith expertisean issue of substance that's important to her, only to marvel at her very interest in that topic in the first place, is both condescending, and frankly, not a very good use of deductive reasoning.

While we certainly don't have the same level of public visibility or expertise as Heather Greene, we're all too familiar with the treatment she's endured in being seen as a novelty rather than a legitimate source of thought. 

If a woman is on your show (or being interviewed for your article) in her capacity as a woman who drinks whiskey (whether professionally or recreationally), maybe your first question should not be "So! Women actually drink brown liquor?"* It seems that the answer to that is fairly self-evident, and it's concerning if that's a conclusion that isn't easily reached. 

The media, in particular, could stand to learn a thing or two about reporting on trend issues in an intelligent way, without just repeating the catalytic part of the news over and over again, as if they were the first to break the story. I suppose that if the easy novel side of the story is still selling papers, why bother spending more time and effort (and money) reporting on the actual substance?

But maybe if the news coverage were a little more intelligent, and a little less focused on the novelty, we'd stop getting these kinds of asinine questions from the broader male population as well.

While the frequency with which this happens has diminished over the years, I still encounter the occasional skeptical male bartender, who, when I order a whiskey, neat, perplexedly tilts his head to the side, and asks if I wouldn't like a glass of white wine instead. Just the other day, our Portland Chapter Co-President, Christine, was offered a cocktail menu when she ordered a whiskey. Her response"Put my fucking whiskey in a glass."pretty much sums up how I feel about that anecdote. 

Not to mention male bystanders who think that my ordering a whiskey authorizes them to have, and share, their opinion on the matter. It's not always a condescending and rude "Sure you can handle that?" More often than not men actually express admiration and awe, which at first seems less insidious, but when you think about it, is actually worse. Imagine how he would react if I expressed admiration and awe at his being able to make it to the bar and order a drink, all by himself, or anything else that's really no less remarkable than a woman drinking whiskey. 

When will men cease to be shocked by the fact that we do the same things that they do?

In fact, it's starting to look more and more like anything they can do, we can do better



*This was an actual first question posed to us during a live television segment.

Women Who Whiskey on Fox & Friends!

Women Who Whiskey was invited to be on Fox & Friends this morning! 

Watch the full clip here:

We (Julia and Samantha) were equally excited and petrified. And what could possibly alleviate such fears? Practice (and a few Manhattans). We mixed our little hearts out the night before, practicing not breaking glasses and dropping bottles. Can the women who whiskey zest under pressure? This would be the ultimate test.

A celebratory nightcap before the big day...

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Featuring some of our favorites: E.H. Taylor Bourbon, Tullamore DEW Irish Whisky, and the delicious and spicy Whistlepig Rye from Vermont. 

So we forgot key parts of our setup (6:30 am brain) but look at those stupid grins! We didn't care! 

Backstage setting up!

So we thought we'd done our makeup. And then television makeup happened and our skin struggled for oxygen.

And we thought we'd done our hair. And then television hair happened, in all its teased glory.

And then it was time.

Okay, we're made up. Our hair is as big as our affection for a barrel-aged manhattan. The table is set. Only one thing left to do.

The view from the other side...

We chatted with the hosts about the rising trend of women and whiskey, and walked viewers through how to make a Manhattan. We didn't drop anything and said all real words--a success! 

Even Willow, our puppy mascot, got a little cameo! 

It was very exciting and we're so thrilled to have been invited on the show! And to answer the question burning in everyone's question, yes, we drank the manhattans afterward at 8:45am. Prost!

Get Your NYC LOADed Cocktail Passport!

Last fall we got the NYC Whiskey Passport and loved it! Now there's a new one from our friends at Boozemenus and Ladies of American Distilleries (LOAD)! 

The NYC LOADed Cocktail Passport
- 21 Cocktails from 21 Bars & Restaurants for $35 -
In Honor Of Women's History Month

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- 1 Cocktail at each participating location -

March 8, 2015 through May 10, 2015

Price = $35
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Good Passports, Ladies of American Distilleries (LOAD), Lupec NYC  andBoozeMenus.com have teamed up to present the The LOADed Cocktail Passport, which will raise funds for Bottomless Closet & Toklas Society.

In celebration of Women’s History Month, we’ve created a passport that supports products where women are an integral part of the spirit - or cocktail-making process.

By purchasing a LOADed Cocktail Passport, you’ll get one cocktail, featuring one of the participating spirits brands, at every location. Each participating location will offer you the choice of at least 1 of 2 cocktails featuring a spirit from one of the brand sponsors. Cocktails are based on 1 oz pours of liquor. Some of the sponsored liquors are meant to be poured neat and in those cases, you will be offered it as such. You can use the passport on any day, at any time from March 8 through May 10, 2015.

Participating spirits include:

When purchasing a LOADed Cocktail Passport, choose the location where you would like to pick up your passport. Passports are available for pick-up from March 8 through April 8, 2015.

How it Works:

  1. Buy a ticket for your preferred passport pick-up location.
  2. Pick up your passport at the location you chose any day from March 8 through April 8, 2015.
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  4. Please remember to tip your bartenders, as gratuity is not included.

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Important Points
*Must be 21 years or older with valid ID
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*Misplaced passports can not be replaced
*No refunds will be available after April 8, 2015
*Spirits are subject to availability. Participating locations reserve the right to alter spirit selection in the event of limited supply.

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LOAD Tasting Event in Celebration of Women’s International Day

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A limited amount of VIP LOADed Cocktail Passports will be sold that will get you to the front of the line at the tasting event.

To obtain the VIP passport, choose the option to pick up at the LOADed event. Passports purchased to be picked at the LOADed event must be picked up that day at Back Label Wine Merchants  between 12:30 p.m.-2:30 p.m.


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